Thanks Honey West.  Will migrate over there

Just a final thought on Redemption - id prefer it as summer filler to help us get through the hiatus!  No idea whether that info is correct but it would make sense. And i believe they only just hired a showrunner  for Redemption just over a month ago.

See you all on the fall hiatus page!

lara1 - Those four possibilities are all good ones for what Red could have told Kirk. The Beck song that was playing kept repeating "These are the words we use to say goodbye." I think Red told Kirk the words Katarina and Kirk used when they used to say goodbye - ritual endearments only Katarina would know.

If "Red is Katarina" is meant to be the big reveal at the end of the series, what JB said would make sense to me. However, If this is the route they are taking, too many fans would feel betrayed and would stop watching. That was the reaction of the majority of fans on three other forums I read when the mommy theory started to gain traction. I'm wondering if this ending wasn't just for market research purposes to see of the audience would accept such a plot turn. 

 

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - Those four possibilities are all good ones for what Red could have told Kirk. The Beck song that was playing kept repeating "These are the words we use to say goodbye." I think Red told Kirk the words Katarina and Kirk used when they used to say goodbye - ritual endearments only Katarina would know.

If "Red is Katarina" is meant to be the big reveal at the end of the series, what JB said would make sense to me. However, If this is the route they are taking, too many fans would feel betrayed and would stop watching. That was the reaction of the majority of fans on three other forums I read when the mommy theory started to gain traction. I'm wondering if this ending wasn't just for market research purposes to see of the audience would accept such a plot turn. 
 

Tuxie400 - I still think Red is Katarina is a possibility.  I tried to make sense of the song lyrics too that played during that scene.....but then I guess we have to think through what the Blacklist then means and what Red's goal is, if he is really Katarina.  I guess we don't have enough information to figure that out, and it would mean what we thought we figured out as possibilities re Red and his mission would not be true.  I'm not saying it can't be, just that there isn't enough info right now to piece together what "Katarina as Red" might have for a mission.  Why assume Red's identity?  It had to be for a purpose because if she just wanted to disappear she could have assumed anyone's identity, disappeared, and not thrust herself into the limelight.  So for me the real reveal would not be Red as Katarina but what is the purpose and the true mission.  But that's just me, LOL!

So during the re-watch, I think we have to be focusing on not only is Red Katarina?, but what does the past add up to, and what are those stories he/she tells all about, and are they about "real 'red" or about Katarina?  (if there ever even was a "real" Red, or was the whole thing a fake identity created, not for a man, but for Katarina??) .  For example, Red said that his mother died.  We haven't seen "mrs dom".  To me that's a possible tick in the "katarina column", but not necessarily.....and so on.

For me, it doesn't matter, i will take any outcome as long as it is creative and challenges the obvious.  Or maybe even if it doesn't!  

Hi Decca,
So glad you're checking in again. I agree that Spader made the line sound genuine. On your options, I'm about evenly split between numbers 1 and 3, although Option 2 has merit too.

I have been giving some more thought to the case study house mentioned by Kirk in 4.08.  He tells Red that the house that Katarina wanted to see was a case study house by a "famous mid century architect".  I also went back to the Gregory DeVry episode, where Red buys a beach house for the FBI woman (to exile her and to keep her safe so that she is not subject to revealing to anyone his arrangement with the FBI).  The house that Red buys for her is located in Santa Monica.  Red says to her to travel well and that the view of the Pacific is magnificent or words to that effect.

I re-attach the link to the map/info of the California case study houses.  I now think that the house was either #5 or #6 on the map's list - both of these are in the Pacific Palisades, very near to Santa Monica, and both were designed or co-designed by Eames.  And with the greatest respect to the other architects who designed  the various case study houses, Eames is arguably the most well known of them.  The case study house #5 is in fact considered to be a milestone in architecture.  Both houses have views to the Pacific Ocean.  Neither of them has a fence (Kirk describes Katarina hopping the fence), but one could have been added later - though one house has a kind of low brick wall on one side of it.

I think that Honey West may have mentioned this at the time, but Santa Monica is home to both the Rand Corporation and Douglas Aircraft (now McDonnell Douglas, I believe).  I find both of these links interesting as both are concerned with the military and defense and other national security matters.  

According to some basic info I located, and for those who don't know, the Rand Corporation is a kind of policy think tank that was started in the late 1940s, originally by Douglas Aircraft in conjunction with the US government.   Its research has been used by the government to help inform policy decisions on things including nuclear deterrence, the US/Soviet nuclear arms race, and it evidently contributed the doctrine of nuclear deterrence.  One of Rand's main strategists at the time was apparently the model for "Dr. Strangelove" in that film.  All themes in TBL (except the movie, LOL). The corporation has since expanded to include research on a number of non-defense issues.   So these are all interesting links and a rather long-winded explanation of why I think the case study house was one of the two Eames houses located near Santa Monica.

But what exactly Kirk, and Katarina were doing there, I don't know - but it sounds like Red may have been there too.

As always, just my opinion of course!    Link to case study houses below:
http://la.curbed.com/maps/los-angeles-case-study-house-map

The only small chink in this idea is that these two case study houses are located on the same street - and Kirk doesn't mention that or that Katarina wanted to see one of the two.  But  his story was general enough that I still think it could be one of them.  Anyone have any thoughts or think there are alternatives that could be the house?

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Tuxie400 -   LOL!!