I’m still not going to believe imposter theory at this point based on that interaction but I can see the writers letting that idea linger with the audience. (And if they go that route, so be it. I’ll still watch.  I’m no quitter.  I’ll just be disappointed)

  My thinking at this point is that Garvey and Carla lied to Jennifer about why she needed protection and that Garvey has now found that the threat has been dead and Garvey couldn’t figure out why Red would still abandon his family if the threat was gone.  They focused on garveys family photos with his wife and kids.  So perhaps he can’t imagine why a father would abandon his child.  And Carla kept her word about never saying anything about Elizabeth not even to Garvey who she appeared to have trusted, which would make things start to click with Garvey once Jennifer tells him.

As for Red not seeming to recognize her or anything, she was a child.  It was nearly 30 years ago and things were tense in that scene.  Plus I have had the mindset with Red’s feelings for Jennifer that he forced himself to shut them down when he abandoned her and he invested all his paternal love into Liz.   I’m just glad we will have answers soon!

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I didn't think that Red would recognize Jennifer after all these years but I never saw any softness in his eyes as she said who she was.    I guess we'll find out why he left her, or why he says he left her, in the next ep or so.  I just didn't see the same sense of emotion he has with Liz.  No even when he was on the floor after he'd been shot.  But then, that's one of the mysteries, isn't it?  

So going along the lines of Garvey and Jennifer being like another Red and Liz, what if Garvey got involved with the Nash Syndicate because he wanted to build power and capital and use his connections to go after the person he believed to be a threat to Jennifer (assuming it was never Red) in order to eliminate them, just as Red has said he did to protect Liz?   And then discovers that the person has been dead and there was no reason for him to be doing what he is doing and for Red to keep away from his family (since he obviously didn't know about Liz's real connection to Red until right before he was ventilated).  

Tuxie400 wrote:

I know Red said the bones are none of Liz's business. But they must to have something to do with Liz, or Kaplan wouldn't have sent them to her. And Red wouldn't have been so worried that Liz in particular would find out the secret. Personally, I think they are her business.

Agreed.  They relate to Liz somehow and even if Tom hadn't died, I feel like they would have been her business anyway because it is tied to why he came into her life.  They are more so her business now since Tom died as a result, she spent 10 months in a coma and Agnes is off with Granny Dearest.  But I don't begrudge Red trying to keep it from her either, because he knows it will hurt her, whatever it is.  And his relationship with her.  But she still has the right to know.  She's just gonna have to work harder for it and Red is going to have to work harder to keep it from her.  She isn't backing down like she has in the past.  

Tuxie400 wrote:

Yes, lara1, what Garvey said to Jennifer did mirror what Red said to Liz in Episode 2 while she was drinking the Aviation cocktail.
I thought Red just looked confused when Jennifer was talking. I didn't see shock or recognition. 
Garvey's lines to Jennifer could be interpreted a variety of different ways. It's trademark Blacklist. Here are some of the possibilities:
1. Garvey protected Jennifer because he thought Red was a threat. He only found out differently after discovering the identity of the bones: the real RR.
2.  He was being sarcastic, as in why would I protect you for 30 years if it wasn't necessary?
3.  He means she's not Jennifer.
4.  He means Raymond Reddington is not her father.
5. He means he's lied to her and has been using her for 30 years.
 

Excellent job! I think you covered all of the bases!

As for Red's non-emotion on meeting Jennifer: what if he had never met her before tonight?

 

Eastcoast wrote:

Here is what he said to her.

​"Everything you have believed for the last 30 years has been a lie. 
You spent a lifetime hiding for no reason. 

 

Thanks for posting the exact wording, Eastcoast! That's what I thought he said but wasn't sure because of my temporary hearing issue.
 

Eastcoast- Not to mention the cognitive dissonance that was surely going on there...he's dealing with Liz's hot head, Garvey's danger, his own secret drama, then learn that this random chick in a bar is his child and she's been connected to Garvey this whole time...it was a chaotic mess. And he may not be entirely sure about her and whether she is really Jennifer.  Anybody could have known about her bedroom and favorite pink pjs (and can we imagine this chick ever liking pink?! lol). And the whole world knew he disappeared Christmas Eve going home to see his family.  I wonder if he investigates her first or just interrogates her himself to figure out if she's legit. 

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Brittany wrote:

Eastcoast- Not to mention the cognitive dissonance that was surely going on there...he's dealing with Liz's hot head, Garvey's danger, his own secret drama, then learn that this random chick in a bar is his child and she's been connected to Garvey this whole time...it was a chaotic mess. And he may not be entirely sure about her and whether she is really Jennifer.  Anybody could have known about her bedroom and favorite pink pjs (and can we imagine this chick ever liking pink?! lol).

 


Right.  I was thinking I can only imagine what could be going through a persons mind in a real situation like that. 
​And that knowing him his wheels were steady churning. Not to mention how hurt he must feel that she had found her and didn't tell him. 
I am not saying he didn't bring all this on himself.  Dembe and others have told him he should just tell her this truth whatever it is.  I see both sides of it.  He feels it is his business and it is, but.... with Tom getting killed and her hurt I can see why she wants to know.  That happening made it her right to know. 
Not to mention Tom wasn't so freaked out by it that he was telling her before he died. 
 

My breakdown of it is that Garvey got involved and she grew on him.  Not saying he didn't care at all.  
​But anyone who would be involved in a little girls life and allow her to believe her father was a harm to her and she seamed really scared of him?  I just think that is mean. He could have told her when she was older. 
Did you just leave? Was it an accident? We didn't know. Then they were sent into hiding from him. (??)  

 

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Tuxie- my thinking about that is in the context of non-Redarina.  Redarina would make more sense to me than random/other man imposter would.