The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 5.18 - Zarak Mosadek

Honey West · 4/12/2018 9:00 am

Good reminders, theYeti! Nice to see them all at once. And Brittany.

Good point about her moving two years ago. I wonder if that was actually precipitated by the Berlin stuff. The searching of databases for Naomi might have also been a warning to prepare to move Jennifer. Plus we don’t know how many other people or agencies might know bits of the Reddington Family Saga (which includes the Liz chapters).

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 9:19 am

Who is Garvey's partner - the woman with the white hair who has a phone ap to translate what she is saying? I thought she looked a lot like Tadashi's mom. LOL She seemed very mysterious, and I wonder if we will see her again.

I saw in the promo pictures that Red is talking to Sinclair (John Noble) in the next episode.

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lara1 · 4/12/2018 9:21 am

Lots of great comments here. I need to re-watch for a number of reasons, including that I did not pick up a Naomi vibe with Jennifer, but I can see what you all have said here and I guess I was too distracted by her red hair. LOL

lara1 · 4/12/2018 9:24 am

Interesting comments about parallels, particularly with Zoe/Jennifer/Berlin and The Decembrist elevator scene (finale of the Berlin story). Somehow I keep thinking its all tied together because we've also had those references to Berlin this season. Or perhaps that was just telegraphing the return of Jennifer. We'll see....

Its intriguing because that whole Zoe/Jennifer storyline was ambiguous for a while and we didn't know that Red was searching for "Zoe", just the girl in the photo. Or maybe long lost Jennifer. But it turned out to be Berlin's daughter.

I felt at the time that Berlin already knew Naomi. I guess we'll see about that too.

lara1 · 4/12/2018 9:27 am

About Jennifer being in Virginia two years ago. Well, in the timeline of the show, isn't that about when Tom was killed? Liz - in coma for 10 months, I'm thinking at least 6 months therapy, then in Alaska, etc. and some time has passed since then.

Or, dial it back a few months prior, perhaps to when the bones DNA hit the database and Garvey was somehow alerted to the bones. Maybe when we factor in a couple of months prior to Tom's death, it almost appears to be 2 years?

It would be intriguing to me if the DNA hit on the bones in the suitcase was the catalyst for Garvey moving Jennifer. But why?

4/12/2018 9:52 am

Lara-I agree that she probably moved around the time either the bones' DNA first hit Garvey's desk or after he killed Tom. Unless Kaplan somehow was aware Garvey would get drawn into the mess and tipped him off prior (and if she knew of his connection to Jennifer)? I still wonder how much of what has transpired she anticipated when she dug up those bones and sent them Liz's way. And how Dom/Oleander is connected to all of it. I hope they give us more of that information in the last four episodes.

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Tatiana · 4/12/2018 9:58 am

Timeline notice: bokenkamp said that even though Liz was in a coma for ten months, the time now is 'real ' time. In other words, don't add the 10 months in because TBL is in April 2018 now.

Very confusing.

I think this was an interview with Troy and Aaron.

This makes me think even more that we are 1) in parallel universes, 2) there's some kind of time slip 3) Red is a time traveller 4) part of this is a dream 5) Lilly/Jennifer is in a psych ward experiencing a psychotic break 6) someone in TBL staff is dyslexic.

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 10:24 am

I didn't pick up a Naomi vibe either. Nor did I notice "red" hair. It looked dull ash brown to me. Everything about her was dull. Naomi was not dull.

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lara1 · 4/12/2018 10:33 am

Tatiana # 107. thanks for that info! well I find that truly bizarre, especially since back a few episodes ago, they had "real newspaper dates" that displayed the actual date the episode was being aired. I don't remember whether that was before or after 5.08.

Does that mean that the entire series is now to be back dated? Like everything we saw actually happened 1-2 years prior.

You are right - it is confusing. To say the least! LOL

lara1 · 4/12/2018 10:34 am

Tuxie400 - #108. I thought she was dull too - not what I expected. But maybe there is a reason for that - I guess we'll see......

I think her hair was reddish-brown. But I am seeing red everywhere! LOL

4/12/2018 10:43 am

The Blacklist was behind in time before the coma. But not sure how much? The only thing we have actually is that Tom's headstone said he died in 2017. The date on the toe tag wasn't show on the television, so we could place it any time that year.

I like that Lilly isn't glamorous and doesn't stand out in any way that we've seen so far. In a show that is full of larger than life people, it's nice to see someone less than that. That's real life (and yes, I know this is television ;) ). Most people are 'dull' and that is her (as we know of at this point). For someone whose father walked out of her life at a young age, ended up on the most wanted list, and has had to change her identity more than once in her 35 years, she probably wants nothing else but to be normal. I'm eager to learn more about her as we go on.

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 12:05 pm

lara1 - You are right about two episodes before 5.08 having newspapers with the dates the episodes aired. Those episodes were Ilyas Surkov and The Kilgannon Corp. Something is very screwy with the timeline. I don't think on can correctly date anything now.

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 12:12 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Timeline notice: bokenkamp said that even though Liz was in a coma for ten months, the time now is 'real ' time. In other words, don't add the 10 months in because TBL is in April 2018 now.

Very confusing.

I think this was an interview with Troy and Aaron.

This makes me think even more that we are 1) in parallel universes, 2) there's some kind of time slip 3) Red is a time traveller 4) part of this is a dream 5) Lilly/Jennifer is in a psych ward experiencing a psychotic break 6) someone in TBL staff is dyslexic.

Those options are great! LOL

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 12:14 pm

Maybe I'm having this reaction to Fiona as Jennifer because I knew her as a goofy, insane assassin on Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Maybe she's that same character now, but heavily medicated.

Tatiana · 4/12/2018 1:19 pm

LOL! She does crazy psycho chick a la zombie really well. But she's also incredibly beautiful:

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 1:24 pm

Tatiana - Fiona looks good there, and she has red hair in the photo. But she didn't look like that last night in Blacklist or on Dirk Gently where she had dark brown hair. They have made her look nondescript in BL.

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lara1 · 4/12/2018 2:18 pm

I think she is very much damped down and she looks downtrodden, even. "normal" yet pushed down, not just her looks and how they portray her, but her personality too. She isn't perky, yet she doesn't seem angry, confused, or anything. Just placid.

EDITED to ADD: not in the photo above, obviously! LOL. I meant, in the episode as Jennifer.

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Honey West · 4/12/2018 3:06 pm

As for Jennifer, I’m sure it is her intent to blend in with her surroundings for safety. And remember what Naomi said about being left to fend for themselves after the authorities were finished grilling her about Red. I got the idea that meant no money, no friends, nothing. Maybe Garvey, a young Marshal, felt sorry for them and helped them. I don’t know if Red was in any position or condition to do anything for them at that time. Probably not. But maybe Red ran into Garvey back then and doesn’t remember him; that he was the guy who helped Red's family during bad times. Perhaps that is what Garvey meant when he said "you don’t know who I am." But Garvey would have always known who Red was. I'm sure Garvey has no good feelings towards Red, but he has held off doing anything with the bones because maybe he thinks it might also harm Jennifer in some way. That’s probably why he has been biding his time and trying to,learn more about them before getting in Reds face with them. But Red is the one forcing the issue after learning Garvey has them. Not vice versa.

Tuxie400 · 4/12/2018 3:14 pm

lara1 wrote:
I think she is very much damped down and she looks downtrodden, even. "normal" yet pushed down, not just her looks and how they portray her, but her personality too. She isn't perky, yet she doesn't seem angry, confused, or anything. Just placid.

EDITED to ADD: not in the photo above, obviously! LOL. I meant, in the episode as Jennifer.

lara1 - I totallly agree with "downtrodden."

lara1 · 4/12/2018 3:35 pm

Yes, agree that Jennifer probably wants to blend in and has been on the run. The question for me though remains why? Naomi managed with her new identity to forge a new life, marry another man, and was out living in plain view with quite a nice life from what I saw.

So the question for me still is, why? What exactly was/is Jennifer so afraid of?