Thinking through this, I have two thoughts.  One is that I tend to agree that "Sandman" was kind of like a switch to Liz, in that she may very well have thought something "off" when Fulton mentioned that.  Fulton would have had to have extremely high level clearance to access that information - esp with Liz being on a super secret Task Force.  So, how did she get that info?  (would be wild if her "source" is the same as Red's)

My other thought is that I don't think Liz was actively looking to recruit Fulton to her "side" until that last minute when she made a decision on the spot.  Or maybe as she was chasing her.  Liz could have just let her go (ie not continue to chase her through the woods) but Liz did want to confront her in some way.  Think if Liz initially "played" Fulton it was in order to get back to the task force as quickly as possible.  I don't think she thought about recruiting Fulton.  Not until that crazy scene in the cabin, where Liz saw possibilities.  Of course, it could go either way.  That's just my perspective.  

Did you guys get the heebie jeebies when Liz said this about copycat profiler/killer Anthony Elliot Hollis:

"This killer is a genius. He saw things the Bureau couldn't. He solved cases we missed."

That sounds just like Red.

 

lara1 wrote:

Thinking through this, I have two thoughts.  One is that I tend to agree that "Sandman" was kind of like a switch to Liz, in that she may very well have thought something "off" when Fulton mentioned that.  Fulton would have had to have extremely high level clearance to access that information - esp with Liz being on a super secret Task Force.  So, how did she get that info?  (would be wild if her "source" is the same as Red's)

My other thought is that I don't think Liz was actively looking to recruit Fulton to her "side" until that last minute when she made a decision on the spot.  Or maybe as she was chasing her.  Liz could have just let her go (ie not continue to chase her through the woods) but Liz did want to confront her in some way.  Think if Liz initially "played" Fulton it was in order to get back to the task force as quickly as possible.  I don't think she thought about recruiting Fulton.  Not until that crazy scene in the cabin, where Liz saw possibilities.  Of course, it could go either way.  That's just my perspective.  

 
It would be even wilder if her source was Red!

stranger things have happened......

Tuxie400 wrote:

Honey West - I wouldn't be surprised if Fulton and Red had a connection that hasn't been revealed yet.

Edited: Somehow I wrote the exact opposite of what I was thinking. My alter must have temporarily taken over. (That was just a joke. As far as I know, I don't have an alter.)

LOL

Tuxie400 wrote:

I thought Red just connected with the Nash Syndicate after talking with Big Willie in The Invisible Hand.

I looked up the script for the episode because I couldn't remember how it was worded. Red says he promised to move a guy named Peter Caras before the Syndicate could discover that he had cut a deal with the Feds.  But he was killed at the motel.  Red wasn't suspicious when Garvey came to investigate the murder since Caras was a Federal Witness, but now Red knows Garvey was actually there to cover it up.  Red then goes on to say that Gabinelli "betrayed me (Red) to Garvey".   I guess we are supposed to believe this happened in the year or so since Tom died, while Red was investigating things on his own.  But he told Liz in the Informant that everyone he had managed to pursue inside the Nash Syndicate was either ignorant to who hired them or whoever it was had enough power to keep them quiet.   So why was he willing to move this Caras guy who was a Federal Witness if the guy supposedly didn't know anything?   
 

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Tuxie- I can't decide how truthful I think Red was in that scene in the Informant.  We know he was hiding the suitcase connection at the time, so he could have been 'truthful' with his vague answer while not elaborating further.   Not a total lie, but not nearly all of the truth.  I'm not sure.  I just thought that whole thing was odd.  It may be something that never comes up again and was just a plot device to set up the connection to Garvey. 

Brittany - Yes, I think it was just a plot device to get to the Red/Garvey meeting.

I keep thinking about this turn of events, especially of Dr. Fulton being a serial killer of serial killers... or the brains behind it, and I wonder how Liz is taking this. I have to watch again.

Still suspect that Liz was on to Dr. Fulton. The story line we're following with Garvey is that Garvey cannot be taken down through the usual process, it has to happen 'on the streets' as Red tells Liz. Thought crossed my mind Liz knows Fulton could never be done away with through the proper channels, so at least she has an eye on her.

To be honest, I don't believe this is true. I do think Liz wants to have Fulton on her team. But I also think Liz knew Fulton was incredibly biased against Red and therefore, against Liz and that would hold Liz back from being reinstated to the force. Liz had to prove that she could be 'evil' in order to be reinstated.

The scene that sticks in my mind though is when Liz speaks with Red on her cell phone carrying an umbrella and she tells Red of Fulton "she's very sensitive" to figuring people out. 

Tuxie400 wrote:

Tatiana wrote:

The scene that sticks in my mind though is when Liz speaks with Red on her cell phone carrying an umbrella and she tells Red of Fulton "she's very sensitive" to figuring people out. 

The umbrella scene is why I do NOT think Liz was on to Fulton. I do think Fulton has gotten Liz more in touch with her darker parts and that Liz is serious about counting on Fulton down the road. I do not believe she was playing her. What I'm wondering is how dark Liz will go, and if she will be able to balance the dark and light parts of herself going forward?
 

I have to watch that scene again. Liz seemed sincere in speaking with Red about how Fulton could be an asset at some time.