The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 5.16 - The Capricorn Killer

Tuxie400 · 3/14/2018 10:48 pm

RedIsMyCoPilot wrote:
Brittany wrote:
The guy had betrayed him to Garvey (HOW????? or WHEN????) so I guess he kind of had it coming?
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And now, the six merry members of the FBI Task Force in their rendition of the Post Office Tango...

He had it coming
He had it coming
He only had himself to blame
If you'd have been there
If you'd have seen it I betcha you would have done the same!

lara1 · 3/14/2018 10:50 pm

so when Liz says to Red in the promo for the next ep, "you betrayed me", isn't that fire night dialog? Or maybe just close to it. Will be watching that ep closely (so what is new, LOL?)

Eastcoast · 3/15/2018 1:08 am

So did anyone else notice to 2 colors of eyes on the guy that took the kid from Aram? One blue eye and one green eye? (lara1) Your green color you like. Do you think that is something that Aram might relay to Liz and that is what leads her to know what Red did?
By the way, I really enjoyed the part with Aram and Garvey!! to Aram!

3/15/2018 5:37 am

Eastcoast wrote:
So did anyone else notice to 2 colors of eyes on the guy that took the kid from Aram? One blue eye and one green eye? (lara1) Your green color you like. Do you think that is something that Aram might relay to Liz and that is what leads her to know what Red did?
By the way, I really enjoyed the part with Aram and Garvey!! to Aram!

I did. It makes me wonder if Aram is going to be researching it and possibly lead back to Navarro. Maybe end up revealing that Liz killed Navarro. Singleton has been suspicious that Liz killed Navarro and Im sure others know that. If someone else takes over Tom’s case they may put pressure on about Navarro and they’ve already seen what happens when they reveal the task force to outsiders and Garvey gets suspicious.

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3/15/2018 6:27 am

Tatiana wrote:
I am so relieved that young man is safe. I actually believed Red might deliver the child to Garvey... my son is high functioning autistic and it just killed me seeing how they treated him.

My daughter is also high functioning autistic and my current job doing behavioral therapy is based solely with people with developmental disabilities. This man reminded me so much of one of my clients, especially when he talked about his grandmother telling him to do the right thing. I’m glad he’s safe. I wanted to believe that Red would protect him because he does have a moral compass and it doesn’t hurt the innocent if he can help it.

Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 8:45 am

Eastcoast - I noticed the guy with two eye colors, but on my tv screen they looked blue and brown, like my grandfather's. Again we are getting eye symbolism. I definitely think that's how Aram will identify him and unravel who was behind the witness kidnappping..

My grandfather's blue eye was the result of being blinded as a child. As a child, he was hit in the eye with an apple that his friends were using as a baseball.

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Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 8:47 am

Brittany wrote:
Tatiana wrote:
I am so relieved that young man is safe. I actually believed Red might deliver the child to Garvey... my son is high functioning autistic and it just killed me seeing how they treated him.
My daughter is also high functioning autistic and my current job doing behavioral therapy is based solely with people with developmental disabilities. This man reminded me so much of one of my clients, especially when he talked about his grandmother telling him to do the right thing. I’m glad he’s safe. I wanted to believe that Red would protect him because he does have a moral compass and it doesn’t hurt the innocent if he can help it.

I agree that Red does have a moral compass and doesn't hurt innocents.

RedIsMyCoPilot · 3/15/2018 8:50 am

Eastcoast wrote:
So did anyone else notice to 2 colors of eyes on the guy that took the kid from Aram? One blue eye and one green eye?

Yes... yes, I did. I thought, " Wait - DAVID BOWIE works for Red?". Then I realized that was impossible. Bowie's non-blue eye isn't green!

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lara1 · 3/15/2018 9:23 am

Yes the two colored eyes. Wasn't Navarro's "eye" blue? In any event that guy's blue eye was really bright blue. Natural or not, yes it may eventually link back to Red.

Yes there is a lot of eye imagery this season, and "vision" (as in not being able to see for various reasons) as well as things like head, hand, etc. Red tells Garvey that he'll cut off his hands or cut out his tongue etc should Garvey ever mention Liz again or go after her. But I don't know what its all pointing to.

I find its sometimes hard to distinguish between precursors, or foreshadowing with clues about the greater mythology with all of the symbols. For example, earlier this season we had the guy with the bulldog, then a couple of episodes later (I think), Red buys Churchill's hat. Churchill was, and is, often associated with the bulldog, was called such and depicted as such etc. Additionally, he owned a British bulldog named "DODO", the guy's dog was "COCO".

So that was maybe a clever way to tie in the hat. And whether it was a nod to "Darkest Hour" I have no idea, but if so, that was clever too. But nothing to do with the overall mythology, IMO

Back to the eyes, whether that is foreshadowing or tied in to the greater mythology, we don't know - yet.

Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 10:07 am

Megan Boone was so riveting and memorable in this episode that when I think of the highlights, they're all hers. That's saying something when she's able to crowd out Spader in my memories of the episode.

Tatiana · 3/15/2018 10:26 am

Two eye colors can be the result of chimerism or mosaicism, both I believe are due to the incomplete separation of twins or rather, the merging of twins (although this type of eye color can be the result of disease or injury as well.

I dont remember if it's chimera or mosaic but an individual can have two completely different sets of DNA in their body. It's kooky cool science!
But I mention it because of twins/DNA/multiple persons in one body.

3/15/2018 10:39 am

Tuxie400 wrote:
Megan Boone was so riveting and memorable in this episode that when I think of the highlights, they're all hers. That's saying something when she's able to crowd out Spader in my memories of the episode.

I agree. She is being given excellent material to really show her talents with. I've loved her acting more this year than ever.

3/15/2018 10:41 am

Tuxie400 wrote:
Eastcoast - I noticed the guy with two eye colors, but on my tv screen they looked blue and brown, like my grandfathe's. Again we are getting eye symbolism. I definitely think that's how Aram will identify him and unravel who was behind the witness kidnappping..

My grandfather's blue eye was the result of being blinded as a child. As a child, he was hit in the eye with an apple that his friends were using as a baseball.

You can have heterchromia (two different eye colors) from the result of an injury or eye infection or genetics. I thought the eye reminded me of Navarro's fake eye and wondered if he also has one of those bionic eyes. It was really bright blue and the pupil looked smaller than in the other eye.

Eastcoast · 3/15/2018 10:48 am

My mom has two different colored eyes. It always tends to stand out to me when I see it.

Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 11:40 am

Tatiana wrote:
Two eye colors can be the result of chimerism or mosaicism, both I believe are due to the incomplete separation of twins or rather, the merging of twins (although this type of eye color can be the result of disease or injury as well.

I dont remember if it's chimera or mosaic but an individual can have two completely different sets of DNA in their body. It's kooky cool science!
But I mention it because of twins/DNA/multiple persons in one body.

Tatiana - This is really fascinating. Perhaps I discarded the MP theory too soon. LOL

Big Badd Bazzer · 3/15/2018 2:09 pm

Tuxie400 wrote:
Megan Boone was so riveting and memorable in this episode that when I think of the highlights, they're all hers. That's saying something when she's able to crowd out Spader in my memories of the episode.

Megan has become a monster - and I obviously mean that in a great, theatrical way!

She's gone from being the fawn in the foliage to standing up to the great man, James Spader.

Quick kudos to Aram's actor - he stood toe to toe with Johnny Coyne (Ian Garvey) but perhaps that was more the writing/direction than the acting itself. Garvey is being portrayed as an absolute, relentless monster that lets nothing (including authorities) get in his way. Aram was always portrayed as mild and meek - a superior mind when attached to a computer link.

The lady who played he psychologist also took many by surprise - totally understated performance that set a perfect tone for the ultimate punchline produced!

IowaWatcher · 3/15/2018 2:42 pm

I saw a blue and a brown eye, as well. Yes, I can see how that might be significant in a later episode. So we only have to wait 3 weeks? That would be awesome. I thought that it was longer last year.

Honey West · 3/15/2018 3:36 pm

That was a great episode. I do need to do an undistracted rewatch, though. Particularly of the first ten minutes or so.

Red and Garvey, face to face meeting, and neither killed the other. That was interesting.

I think Garvey thinks Red should know who he is. Maybe Red does, but is playing it cool. I get the impression that if he does know who he is then he is someone from a long time ago. I’m trying to think who might benefit from having a high level dirty cop in their employ. The question might be is Garvey a foot soldier or a general? Does he work for the drug syndicate or the Cabal? Or an heretofore unknown group?

Liz is forming her own organization and now has her first team member with good connections to intel. She didn’t actively recruit her, but she seized the opportunity when it came up pretty quickly and decisively. She is a lot like her daddy. But maybe still more at an instinctual level. She does things but maybe is still not quite sure why.

Ugh, lunch is over! But I have known people with two different colored eyes. But this guy was way different in that the one looked fake colored. It was meant for us to see it as different and odd and we were shown that Aram observed it, too by the way he looked at the guy and the guy seemed like he was looking at Aram so that he would make sure he saw it.

Later!

Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 3:42 pm

Honey West - Is Garvey a general of a foot soldier? That's what I've been wondering since we first met him. I wonder if we are circling back to the Cabal.

Tuxie400 · 3/15/2018 3:46 pm

BBB and other proponents of the "Alternate Task Force - Don't you think Dr. Fulton has an alternate task force of her own? With her profiling skills, she's like the alternate Liz, only older and wiser. Her sidekick looked like an alternate Singleton, who was an alternate Dembe. What Fulton has going is very similar to what Red is doing with the FBI task force. She wasn't assessing Liz for readiness for duty, she was assessing her for readiness for her alternate task force.

All of a sudden, it's like Fringe that season when there were multiple alternate worlds!!!

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