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2/07/2018 10:32 pm  #101


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Garvey being a Marshall could also potentially bring in Jennifer.  Depending on his role in the agency, if he has access to Witness files, he could attempt to locate her given last known information and use her as leverage against Red.  That may be too complicated given the bones storyline  but I guess it isn’t totally out of the realm.

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2/07/2018 10:38 pm  #102


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Eastcoast - I think Kate knrew more than Raymond thought she did.

 

2/07/2018 10:41 pm  #103


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I think Kate had either known more than Red believed or she learned this information after her shot her.   I’ve tended to think Red purposely kept them apart for fear of what they could do or learn if put together.   Perhaps Kate knew KR’s father was Oleander but not actually how to find him?

 

2/07/2018 10:43 pm  #104


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​Yes Tuxie. Tom was told by one of Kate's guys to find him. So this leads me to believe that that Dom may not know all of "what happened" ? 


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2/07/2018 10:55 pm  #105


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Eastcoast - I think Dom must know about the suitcase bones, or Dennison wouldn't have told Tom to find him.

 

2/07/2018 11:02 pm  #106


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I was thinking that Tuxie because he called Red and told him to tell her, but it makes me wonder why Kaplan would want him contacted? I am thinking he may not know all that happened?  


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2/07/2018 11:22 pm  #107


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I'm really confused about how Oleander fits into this, probably because I was thinking Oleander was a place, not a person.

I don't believe Kate knew about Dom because he didn't come to the US until later, maybe years later?

This part of the storyline is convoluted to me. I need to go back and watch some of those scenes with Tom.

 

2/07/2018 11:22 pm  #108


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Eastcoas t - Do you mean all that happened with Kaplan and the suitcase, or Red's role with the suitcase? 

 

2/07/2018 11:26 pm  #109


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Eastcoast wrote:

I was thinking that Tuxie because he called Red and told him to tell her, but it makes me wonder why Kaplan would want him contacted? I am thinking he may not know all that happened?  

Thanks for your well-wishes on the other thread. I'm feeling much better.

As for why Kaplan wanted him contacted . . . did she? Or did someone say she did. I need to go back and re-watch that.
 

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2/07/2018 11:29 pm  #110


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Tuxie400 wrote:

Eastcoast - I think Kate knrew more than Raymond thought she did.

I am wondering whether Kate was also an operative.  Some of us thought that from way back.  Nanny dearest may initially have been a cover to get close to KR.  Red could even have sent her in.  And maybe Red didn't know all of it.

Maybe not.  Not sure how else she would have known the name "Oleander", which was a code name.  Tom wasn't told to find Dom.  He was told to find Oleander.  Its possible kate didn't know they were one and the same, or just didn't know "who" Dom was and where Dom was, exactly.

It also makes KR's journal entry about what her father would think about falling in love with the American a bit more cryptic.  If Dom was an operative and knew Red way back when, I don't know, to me something is still missing....

 

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2/07/2018 11:32 pm  #111


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Iowa Watcher - We really don't know when Dom came to the U.S. Cooper didn't say when he arrived. And I suspect he was here earlier than Cooper knew because Katarina's toys were American. Raymond always underestimated Kaplan.

In the Greyson Blaise episode, Tom asks a dying Dennison, "Why did I pick up the suitcase?" Dennison replies, "Oleander, find him."

 

2/07/2018 11:34 pm  #112


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lara1 - A lot of somethings are missing. They always are. LOL Why do we love this maddening show so much?

 

2/07/2018 11:34 pm  #113


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somehow, also, I think Seaduke figures into this.  Who is Seaduke?  could have been KR, could have been "real" Red.  It would be a scream if it turned out to be Scottie, or even Kate.  Red certainly didn't like Scottie, who made his toes curl.  But I don't think so.  Just kicking around possibilities......

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2/07/2018 11:35 pm  #114


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Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - A lot of somethings are missing. They always are. LOL Why do we love this maddening show so much?

LOL.  quote of the week.  

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2/07/2018 11:39 pm  #115


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lara1 - Kaplan may have been an operative of some kind. Or maybe Katarina just told her a lot more than Red knew. 

 

2/07/2018 11:42 pm  #116


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Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - Kaplan may have been an operative of some kind. Or maybe Katarina just told her a lot more than Red knew. 

Tuxie400, that is true, it could be.  But if so, KR wasn't very smart.  An operative who keeps a written journal of her spying gig and tells the Nanny what is probably classified information.  Not saying  it can't be.  It can, but it would not line up in another way.  But then again that circles back to my other theory - where a lot of loose threads would never be tied up.  LOL

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2/07/2018 11:48 pm  #117


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I agree the blacklister part wasn't so exciting.  But I think the background story was mainly there to give us more clues.

I also wondered about the "six" children who were impacted.  I've often wondered whether the Kungur Six was a real thing.  Not missiles, but really operatives like in the newspaper article.  At the time I thought it symbolic of someone Red was involved with way back - like maybe he was part of a group of six spies that infiltrated the US.  The piece of paper in the effigy was never found.  Yet Red really wanted that effigy.  

So were the six children a clue in an episode where we find out that Dom was Oleander, a Russian operative?

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2/07/2018 11:52 pm  #118


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Oh yes I forgot to add above - about the six connection.  In Madeleine Pratt, we were of course told that the Kungur Six were not people, but missiles.....and the other connection I see in this episode is that the ground area was a toxic site, a wasteland, reminded me so much of Chernobyl, which was the result of radiation, which maybe symbolically links back to the Kungur Six if we think of them as nuclear missiles.  though they really were not, its all just making connections back to the six as really operatives.   Maybe......

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2/07/2018 11:59 pm  #119


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Tuxie400 wrote:

Eastcoas t - Do you mean all that happened with Kaplan and the suitcase, or Red's role with the suitcase? 

 

​Red's role with the suitcase. He might think someone else is in there?  We don't know yet. But it could be that Kaplan didn't know who Dom was to Red. 
 

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2/08/2018 12:04 am  #120


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Eastcoast - I don't know who Red really is to Dom. LOL  I don't think Kaplan knew who Red was to Liz.  If those bones are Katarina's and Dom doesn't know it, maybe Kaplan thought Oleander - Katarina's father - would kill Red and get him out of Masha's life once and for all. 

 

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