The Blacklist Refugees » Season 5 Fall/Winter Hiatus Discussions

Tuxie400 · 12/03/2017 11:53 am

Mindhunter was at its most interesting with the episodes that featured either Edward Kemper or the consultations in Altoona, PA. It took me five tries to make it through the first episode, but I thought the middle episodes were excellent.

There is a Blacklist connection. Happy Anderson, who plays Ian Garvey's righthand man, portrays serial killer Jerry Brudos in Mindhunter.

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lara1 · 12/03/2017 1:33 pm

Tuxie400 - yes I agree the beginning of Mindhunter was very slow. But a friend had watched it and so I stuck with it.
Interesting connection!

I've also watched The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, released last week on Amazon. Excellent period drama/comedy (1950s New York). Also a TBL connection - Rachel Broshanan stars in the lead role. She played "Jolene" on TBL. I think she does a great job in this role. The pilot I found a bit slow, it finally drew me in at the end of the ep. Then I was hooked for the rest of the series.

I'm next onto the second series of Stranger Things. But I want to set aside a block of time for that so I can get through several eps as well as brush up on the end of the first series.

The series that you and Brittany described sound good, but I've never had any real interest in "Western" type stories. Grew up on them but never liked them, LOL. Though those two do sound like very good series. I'm more of a spy/crime/paranormal gal (Could you tell? haha)

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12/03/2017 7:24 pm

Random thought time. I have no idea why it popped into my head. I don’t know if this was mentioned in the season 4 finale thread or not. But when Liz confronts Red about the DNA test, she says when the first met she told him her father gave her the scar. But I don’t remember her saying that to him. Didn’t she say that to that little girl at the zoo while they waited to blow up? She lied to him about it happening when she was 14.

lara1 · 12/03/2017 7:38 pm

Brittany #63 - I believe you are correct and I think someone did point it out at the time. I don't think that Liz ever said to Red that her father gave her the scar. She only told him, while he was in the Post Office box (love that play on words!), that there was a fire when she was 14. She did not explain further although Red was very interested in it and wanted to see it. I think she may have felt a bit creeped out by it.

And yes, she told that story to Beth in the zoo, so that Beth would not feel as afraid.

Tuxie400 · 12/03/2017 7:51 pm

Brittany - The scar comment was one of many continuity errors in Season 4. Beth was the only character Liz ever told that her father gave her the scar to make her brave.

12/03/2017 7:52 pm

Thanks, Lara. I thought so. It’s not a big deal, just a small continuity error that hit me. Not nearly as big of an oops as KR calling Rostov “Alexander” back in the late 80s. Lol.

lara1 · 12/03/2017 9:28 pm

Yes, and that reminds me of something a bit larger....Why Rostov had to change his name. The (US I believe) newspaper article that chronicled KR's disappearance at Cape May made it clear that she was well known and he as an equally well known businessman, Rostov. So, like, what does changing his name do? He's well known as Rostov, then becomes well known as Kirk, with presumably the same face, the same houses? Made no sense to me and it was never explained.
And he was the one and same person as Red called him Konstantin.

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12/03/2017 9:33 pm

Lara- Red said that Kirk fell out of favor with the Kremlin in the early 2000s and had to go underground. I assume the name helped him hide finances, businesses, etc.. He still had his house in Nova Scotia but they said he hadn’t been there in years.

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12/04/2017 6:05 pm

Less than one month to go! One of the biggest interests I have in the b-block (besides the biggies like the suitcase and Garvey) is how they will play off Liz's recovery from the coma. I have worked with a number of individuals over the years who have experienced traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and have seen a spectrum of recovery. Her motor skills (fine and gross) could be impacted, as could things like memory (long-term or short-term), impulse control, attention-span, and emotionality. I imagine they will have her recovering fairly well because people tune in to watch her kick ass, but a Liz less in control of her emotions and impulses coupled with grief over Tom could turn her more into Red than either of them would have ever wanted.

12/07/2017 8:46 pm

I would love another Leslie Jones cameo. Maybe she plays a one time love interest for “hot stuff”. 😉 He needs some fun and relaxation after the year he’s had.

Tuxie400 · 12/08/2017 9:44 am

Brittany - Leslie Jones was so funny in her Blacklist appearance. Maybe she could be a friend Glen enlists to help with one of Red's schemes.

12/08/2017 10:03 am

Tuxie- yes! She has so much potential for fun on that show.

Tuxie400 · 12/09/2017 1:28 pm

Earlier in the season, we wondered about Tom leaving his gun on the table in Dennison's apartment. After rewatching Season 1, I see that's a parallel to when Tom left four guns on a table in the Ivan episode when Liz discovered his warehouse hideout. In that episode, it made sense because he was more worried about Liz finding all his research about her and Red.

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lara1 · 12/09/2017 4:08 pm

Interesting, Tuxie400, yet another parallel. Do you recall whether in that Season 1 ep, Liz saw/found the guns? Because Red never seemed to see/notice Tom's gun in Dennison's place, which several of us found odd.

Tuxie400 · 12/09/2017 6:16 pm

lara1 - Yes, in the Ivan episode Liz noticed the guns and she noticed all the photographic equipment, but the guns didn't cause her to make a connection to Tom.

lara1 · 12/09/2017 6:20 pm

thanks, Tuxie400. So another repeated scenario with a different result. Well spotted!

12/09/2017 9:03 pm

I had figured Red noticed the gun on the table but I’m thinking now he probably just thought it belonged to Dennison.

Speaking of Dennison, who do we think tied him up and beat him before Tom arrived, now that we’ve had more episodes air? My initial thoughts had been Dembe but why would he had left him there, risking that he may get loose and leave before Dembe got back with Red. Garvey? It seems a little tame for him and he didn’t seem to come around until the CODIS search was run. Oleander, whoever that is? Sometimes I’ve wondered if Garvey worked for Oleander and has gone rogue for his own purpose, but he seems like a big fish who would be the one in charge.

Red should dig Kate up just to shoot her again for all the trouble she caused.

lara1 · 12/09/2017 9:42 pm

I still think that scene didn't make sense but it may have been the way that it was ultimately edited.

I still think it was someone working for Red, because when Red and Dembe came in, and saw Dennison tied up and beaten, I didn't think they looked surprised, nor did they check the rest of the apt (which I think they would have, if they thought someone else was/had been there, to make sure the apt was clear). And the way Red spoke to him implied a continuation of an interrogation - didn't he say something to Dennison about how he admired Dennison's loyalty to Kate in his refusal to talk? That implied to me that someone on Red's team (not clear who) had already tried to make him talk. Maybe even Red himself. Not really Red's style but he was short on team players at the time.

But I also think the scene left open the possibility for other options. It just didn't flow right to me.

Tuxie400 · 12/09/2017 9:52 pm

I still don't think Dembe did the beating. But it very well could have been someone else Red sent - Crispen for instance.

Eastcoast · 12/10/2017 3:30 am

Tuxie, that is what I was thinking. All I have been able to do is think..... Red didn't seamed shocked that he was all tied up and beaten like that and I have no doubt he saw the gun and just figured it was his which is why I think that it was not Dembe that did it and probably Crispen. Dembe would have noticed too but did not seamed bothered by it. I think they both thought it had been his. I thought he sent Crispen to get him to work with them like he did Pete's girlfriend.

I have a lot of reading and comments to catch up on. I have been dropping in here and there but cant remember everything I read.....