Lara- I think Garvey wants to get Liz because she is a witness to him murdering Tom and could possibly use Jennifer as leverage to get Red to turn Liz over.  I think the secret is a separate thing for him.  

Whether or not the bones give Garvey 'power' over Red is something I'm unsure of now.  He seems to want to know what happened to the bones/why it happened.  Now that we've seen him saying he wants to know the 'whole truth' it makes me question if what he told Tom was true.  He had no clue Tom was.  He thought Tom was just a hired thug. 

Brittany - I agree that Garvey up until the end of the last episode didn't know who Liz was to Red and just wanted her because she was a witness to Tom's killing. But after Red so specifically threatened Garvey with various forms of bodily violence if he even mentioned her name, he has to know Liz has a personal connection to Liz. He may not know exactly what it is, but I think he'll be trying to find out. Like most of us. LOL

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Liz is Red's Achilles Heel. I’m sure Garvey has figured that out by now. Maybe he doesn’t know the exact relationship, but I think he probably knows enough after Reds very particular and detailed threats.

I also thought if Garvey didn't know Liz meant anything to you he does now! 
I did feel Red had to make a statement of some sort as a warning because Garvey is the type to go after Liz in some way on his own. 
​I also had a thought today that I wont be surprised if we see Garvey in a hospital somewhere with No eyes, No hands and No tongue! 
 

Brittany - It's possible Dom was a double agent who was given protection because of intel he shared with the U.S. Before the Artax Network originally aired there were some spoilers that said Red would meet with an old colleague who knew some of his secrects.  It's been so long ago, I don't know whether the source was Bokenkamp or one of the sites that extrapolates. But it any case, that always stuck in my mind. The official Artax synopsis said "Red is forced to confront a ghost from his past." Ghost can be a slang term for a spy or undercover operative. There are real-life cases of Soviet Spies who were relocated and put into Witness Protection, with the CIA helping them find jobs. Jack Barsky is a real-life example who I just read about yesterday.

Since one of the duties of U.S. marshals is to supervise spy swaps, I'm toying with the idea that somehow Red and Katarina were involved in a scheme to get Dom, as a mole, out of the USSR. It could even have involved swapping Dom for Katarina.  I will admit I got this idea from Red Sparrow, because there is a such spy swap in that book about a honeytrap Soviet spy in love with her CIA handler. But as many times as the mole theme has come up in The Blacklist, I wonder if it isn't part of Red/Dom/Katarina's back story. Could that be what Red did to Katarina?

I often wondered if Katarina got asylum to the U.S. because she was a ballerina (there were some famous defectors who were ballet dancers at that time).  

Brittany - It a spy swap happened, it could be counterintelligence knew about it, but stateside CIA did not until later, and that's why they dropped it. Sort of how there was lots of intel before 911, but not all the right departments knew about it.

lara1 - I agree that Dom's background is complicated. I think Dom was stationed in the U.S. while Katarina when was a child. That's the only way those toys make sense to me too. The spy I reference above, Jack Barsky, was always an illegal in the U.S,, who traveled back and forth to East Germany and Moscow.  It's interesting that Barsky had two families, one in the U.S. and one in East Germany. Wolfbythestream on Reddit put me on to Jack Barsky this week as a possible role model for Dom, or I think, Red.

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Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - I agree that Dom's background is complicated. I think Dom was stationed in the U.S. while Katarina when was a child. That's the only way those toys make sense to me too. The spy I reference above, Jack Barsky, was always an illegal in the U.S,, who traveled back and forth to East Germany and Moscow.  It's interesting that Barsky had two families, one in the U.S. and one in East Germany. Wolfbythestream on Reddit put me on to Jack Barsky this week as a possible role model for Dom, or I think, Red.

 
That is an interesting Theory. I think I'm going to read about that one.  I definitely think he lived in both places.

Lara - there was a board game in her trunk, 12... something, circa 1959. There was also a ballerina 'bag' in there which was from the mid 60s both I believe American.