Tuxie400 wrote:

Patter - I think we'll be thrown into a new world of crazy in the fall finale, but I have my doubts about whether we'll find out who's in the suitcase until later in the season. I'm starting to think it won't be anyone we've thought of so far.

 

I was thinking the same thing Tuxie. I keep saying it might be a long winter.    But then I was thinking there must be some kind of reveal of the contents if they are saying it's a big change. I was thinking, even if a person dies on the show it doesn't change everything.  Not the way they are talking. At least Tom will know. 
If not, I hope we can at least get the gender....

So glad pitchforks didn't come out.  I was a little hesitant to post about my current feelings of the show.  

 

OK, is it just me - or - the classified doc from the previous City promo  - its now the first thing we see on the newly posted City promo on Aly's site just now.  Its not possible to see the face clearly in the photo that's attached - but when I enlarged it on my computer, it did look like someone wearing a hat that did look like a fedora.  Maybe a trick of the light?  it also looked to me like an old style photo.

But then I'm pre-disposed to seeing that!  haha.  Anyone else think its someone with a dark hat?

LOL. 

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - That black and white photo with the classified document in the new city promo looks just like Red to me. So I guess we do find out something about him.

Tuxie400 - thanks for that.  So maybe I'm not seeing things (in this instance LOL).  I did think it rather looked like "Red" in some of the old promos of previous seasons....but didn't want to cloud the waters.

Maybe its just a current report on current Red, no mystery LOL.  I guess we will see - maybe!!


 

Well I finally got to re-watch this episode.  Real life has been crazy busy!

I don't have too much to add.  I did notice they once again picked out the numbers 3 and 12:

-The newspaper article cited "dozens" killed by the sinking ship
-A dozen corporations used the shipping hub where the traffickers ran their operations

The price for Dembe to be smuggled to Berlin was 3,000 euros
Aram calculates the carbon monoxide threshold in the containers to be at 3%

There was, unusually, quite a lot of references to the number 7 in this one episode.  I thought maybe the writers were having a bit of fun with episode "5.07".  Because instead of the usual countdown of 3-2-1, there were two instances of a countdown from 5:  the guy to Dembe in the hideout with the gun to his head, and Red to Colin when threatening his mother.

I don't know if I commented on this when the show aired last week (can't remember, LOL) but this season has seen references in most episodes to "old man" and "old lady", as in Red's empire was taken down by an old lady.  Old man is used again here, Red calls Kilgannon Sr. old man when he shows up at his home.  Various people, including, Red, have been called "old man" this season.

There's some other minor stuff like the "Red" Birch Motel, a reference to frozen fish, the fact that "burn" notices have been given to the truck drivers (well that one isn't so minor); Liz stating to Tom that she has a set of steak knives; the apple baskets in the barn where Tom is held by Garvey; the bright green color on the ceiling in the barn (like the bright green that kept appearing at various points in Requiem), the RED sports car that Calvin owns.

I saw some discussions elsewhere on the ring that Garvey is wearing.  I think its red in color like ring man's in fire memory - I saw a posting by someone where it looked green but honestly I think that was the reflection from the bright green light in the barn because the right side of Garvey's glasses also looked green and they are clearly black frames.

I had one final thought on Red's reaction to Liz's news - he's had Tom followed so he probably already knew they got married.  Well that's my take.

Into the rather small basket I have of questions:  at the end, Red's man says that Keen and the suitcase were taken.  which would mean, like, both at the same time, by Garvey.  But we know the case was taken earlier and didn't Red already know that - as he said it to Tom in the car.  he knew Nik had been killed because of it and the suitcase was AWOL.  Made no sense, unless of course we are looking at an altered reality through a different prism.  LOL

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lara1 wrote:

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1.  I thought maybe the writers were having a bit of fun with episode "5.07".  Because instead of the usual countdown of 3-2-1, there were two instances of a countdown from 5:  the guy to Dembe in the hideout with the gun to his head, and Red to Colin when threatening his mother.
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2. I saw some discussions elsewhere on the ring that Garvey is wearing.  I think its red in color like ring man's in fire memory - I saw a posting by someone where it looked green but honestly I think that was the reflection from the bright green light in the barn because the right side of Garvey's glasses also looked green and they are clearly black frames.
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3. Into the rather small basket I have of questions:  at the end, Red's man says that Keen and the suitcase were taken.  which would mean, like, both at the same time, by Garvey.  But we know the case was taken earlier and didn't Red already know that - as he said it to Tom in the car.  he knew Nik had been killed because of it and the suitcase was AWOL.  Made no sense, unless of course we are looking at an altered reality through a different prism.  LOL

1. I also noticed there were two countdowns from 5, and I thought that was strange and foreboding. I wonder if there will be a similar countdown tonight.

2. I have now seen several blown-up photos of Ian Garvey's ring from sneak peaks and stills of the episode. None makes the setting look red. They all either look black or green. It could just be the light at play, or it could be another red herring.

3. What Crespin told Red didn't register as a contradiction to me. As far as I was concerned, I thought Red was going on the same assumption as Tom: that Pete had taken the suitcase. Once Crespin knows Ian shot Pete and took Tom, he knows Ian is the one with suitcase, and he has both it and Keen.

 

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lara1 - The other thing you mentioned in #129 was Liz's mention of steak knives in relation to the call. That caught my attention too since steak knives were the incentive the car salesmen were discussing in last year's spring finale. Repeating the idea of steak knives as an incentive seems to be another foreshadowing. Or is it back shadowing? Did Zamani stab Tom with a steak knife?

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BBB - My prediction is that Ian Garvey won't be killed tonight. He's such an extraordinary villain that I think his story will continue for at least a couple of episodes after the break.

Tuxie400 - great observations on the steak knives!  I completely forgot about the car salesman incentive prize.  I thought of Zamani but didn't remember that the knife used was a steak knife.  And the Katarina thing.

Those are some really good connections to both Red and to Kaplan.  I don't think Kaplan survived, they didn't show a funeral (I agree is odd) but the FBI sent boats and divers to retrieve her.  I think we would have heard by now if they never found her.  But anything is possible.  I'm thinking, because of the green light in the Garvey scene in the BARN with the APPLE baskets....that Kaplan may be involved somehow.  Maybe not her but someone closely connected to her.  Points to KR of course, if she is even alive.  But it could also point to Red, (red apples etc) and the fact that Kaplan set this whole sequence of events into play with the suitcase, even though she may not have intended to.

I also don't think Garvey will disappear tonight.  I think he'll survive as the big bad into the next third of the season episodes.  Personally I think he's much more menacing than Kirk.  I think that's because he's ruthless and we know nothing about him or what his agenda is.  In a way we knew too much about Kirk and guessed a lot of the rest.  LOL

I'm very very intrigued to see where they go with this, with all of the Season 1 parallels esp to the Liz/Tom story and to Berlin.

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HW - one thing I find interesting is that in prior seasons, the big bad at the end of the prior season carried over, or at least the story did, into the next season - Berlin, Connolly (Cabal); Kirk.  But Kaplan, end of Season 4 did not.    Or did she?  heheh.