I don't know that I think Liz is the 'last' of something, but I tend to think the importance of Liz is because she's the daughter of KR and Red and that it makes her valuable as collateral for people who want information (especially if KR is alive).  Redemption is a big theme in the show.  KR attempts to redeem herself by 'dying' to protect her child. I know plenty of us have thought that Red may ultimately have to redeem himself by sacrificing his life for Liz after years of turning over Blacklisters.  But I've also wondered if Red could be faced with another Hobson's choice--perhaps having to choose to save either Liz or Agnes? (save one or lose both, like with KR)  And if Tom isn't around and he chose to save Agnes (because I think he would), perhaps he would try to redeem himself by raising Agnes the way he didn't raise Liz?  I don't know if it is genuinely JB saying it or just fandom talking, but I've tended to read that the ending of the Blacklist would be 'bittersweet' and other than Red dying to save his daughter, this scenario would also be bittersweet in my opinion.  Like his KR hallucination told him, he would save the mother (in that case, Liz) through her child (Agnes). 

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Honey West - good point about Agnes.  Forgot about her, LOL.  So if Liz is an Endling, it is for a reason other than dynastic.  

TheYeti - Yes, there were many parallels. I wonder if organ transplants will figure into Red and Liz's back story somehow. And Julian Gale could still be lurking in the background somewhere. Just because the actor was not rehired as a regular, doesn't mean he won't come back for a short arc at some point.

Brittany - I don't think we got confirmation that the DNA showed up in CODIS. That's interesting that CODIS was only created in 1990. 

TheYeti wrote:

Well, that was quite a strange episode. I really liked the premise of the Endling being after the last princess of Montenegro and was a little disappointed that the motive was different/less original than it seemed. The parallels are great though. Again we have adoption (Cyprus Agency, Liz), someone killing others to save a child (Frederick Barnes, Dr. James Covington), kidnapping children (Lady Ambrosia, Red?), organ transplants (Dr. James Covington, Dr. Adrian Shaw), and still the story had original aspects. 

The death of Dr. Nik was quite unexpected to me. As some of you are talking about an FBI member being behind it, could it be that Julian Gale is still lurking out there, looking for an opportunity to take down Red and Liz? No evidence or anything, just a random thought xD

As Forrest Gump might have opined: "That Dr. Nik, he was NOT a very careful man!"
 

Tuxie400. Well Liz never said it was an appendix scar. Nik said there were obtrusions or something as a result of some surgery. He said to Liz.  - Let me guess - your appendix - or something like that. And Liz replied , when I was 15. So she sort of confirmed it but in a very Red like way. Though the former rib injuries were never explained. And a parallel to that is Red’s lung injury when he was shot. I think it hit some ribs too, all on the same side of the body as Liz’’s scar(s) ( abdomen and wrist)

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JackPow#132 - that's in Solomon conclusion, where Nik is assisting Liz in childbirth in the ICU.  Don't recall whether it was before or after Kaplan went in to talk about her "plan".  I think maybe before that.

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I went back and watched that scene again since we were all confused about it.  Pete said that to run it through a federal database was a two-step process that he could run remotely but would need a fed's ID to get through the second part.  So as of that time, it seems he hadn't run it through. Whether or not he had started the process prior to receiving Liz's ID is unclear, but probably not since he would likely want to get the information right away and reduce the risk of being caught.   When Tom calls Nik at the end, Nik says Pete will call when he has something.  Tom says that Nik has the connection to CODIS, which I assume means the ID.   So I take it to mean that it is unclear (at least to Tom) that something showed up on CODIS, though it would seem likely that something did show up since the suitcase is in the wind and Nik is dead.  

I can't decide if I think Pete is the one who killed Nik.  The hands look a little old for his, but not conclusive.   

And I also can't figure out what Red knows about the suitcase.  Dembe has now been with him all the time (from what we see) for two episodes, no mention of needing to find the suitcase. On one hand, Red's now seeming lack of concern about it seems odd and I feel like he is suspicious of Tom.  On the other, if he is so concerned about it getting to Liz, wouldn't he be eager to get it back?   Is he play a game of cat and mouse now with Tom to see what he'll do, or is he unsure of what exactly Tom's involvement is?  Is it complicated by the fact that he couldn't hurt or kill Tom because of Liz?

lara1 wrote:

Hi all

With the DNA database, I may have mid- heard but I thought Pete said he could tell there was a match but could not see what the match was without special login credentials. So he could see a result was in the d/base but not what it was without Liz’s login credentials. Or I completely misheard that.

The codeis stuff may explain why “original” Reddington’s DNA was never in the system.

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Oh definitely, Lara1.  I don't think he had matched it when Tom was there earlier in the episode, but undoubtedly had by the time Nik got taken out. 

 

I don't think Pete was Nik's killer. They were friends, and Pete does not have a motive. I think it's Oleander, or someone working for Oleander.