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10/18/2017 8:41 pm  #101


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Liz would know if she'd had an organ transplant though, she'd be on anti rejection drugs for life. 

But I agree that these bones must be someone high up...makes me question my fake dead Katarina theory (though I'm still holding on for more details!).

 

10/18/2017 8:51 pm  #102


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Brittany #101 - good point.  Maybe bone marrow then.  Connected to other stories about bone marrow, DNA etc.

I think your fake dead katarina theory could still be at play - it could be connected in a twist to the plot.  Especially as she was supposed to be some kind of double agent, double traitor.

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10/18/2017 9:19 pm  #103


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I would say this episode in some way parallels the story of Masha/Liz's kidnapping, and it embodies many themes we've seen before. Here a woman kidnaps her child, who is being raised by others, to save his life. Then she kills herself to save his life by providing the organ for his transplant. This woman had no problem killing others to get what she needed to save her son, much like Frederick Barnes. Again we have tranfusions and rare blood types involved in the story, reminiscent of Red transfusing Ressler in Anslo Garrick and the blood stuff involved with Kirk. With the illegal operations going on, it also reminded me of Dr. James Covington,

 

10/18/2017 9:24 pm  #104


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Tuxie400 #103.  I agree.  And I also think that this season, with all of its parallels and similar, pointed storylines to some prior storylines, is starting to knit more closely together the various themes/clues in a very clever way.  Just my take.

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10/18/2017 9:28 pm  #105


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Tuxie400, Brittany - I also thought of the Red/Ressler rare blood type thing and the transfusion in my idea about a bone marrow transfusion or similar.  And Red jokes with  Ressler, is he somehow feeling more clever/sophisticated given he now has Red's blood.  So if there was somehow some transfusion involved between Red's daughter and Liz because of some illness or similar....the things we've seen about genetics....nature/nurture.  Though I hadn't thought of that specifically until this episode, pulling at the various threads in the episode themes.  Could all be way off base!

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10/18/2017 9:40 pm  #106


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lara1 - The bone marrow or transfusion ideas are interesting to consider. I was just thinking there have been medical issues brought up about Liz that were never explained - like how she broke her ribs before and just what that scar on her abdomen was.

 

10/18/2017 11:17 pm  #107


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Well, I think we all figured Nik was living on borrowed time ever since he helped Kate. Clever use of him right before his end.  Whoever killed him looked to me like a big guy, definitely not the more slightly built Pete. If Nik saw something on the computer screen I would have thought the killer would have destroyed the computer or at least shut it down before taking off with the suitcase. I think whatever the results, they are no good if you don't also have the bones.

Overall the theme was the love of a parent for their child and what that parent wouldn't do for their child. Complete self sacrifice. Red/Liz? Katarina/Liz? Red/?? Or Katarina/??

More puzzle pieces. What is it exactly that makes Liz so "special"? Are these people the last of their kind? What kind? A warrior race of some sort? Created by Cold War era mad scientists?


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10/18/2017 11:25 pm  #108


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HW - "there aren't many of us".  Cape May - as you've noted in the past.

so does it mean - a kind of super race, or just bloodline?  questions questions......

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10/18/2017 11:44 pm  #109


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HW, I agree on the borrowed time!  
As soon as the good Dr. said he was going to go check on him I knew that was it for him. If the other guy wasn't answering the phone he should have known that was not a good sign.  
So now the phone calls he made will be traced back to Tom and Red is going to find out.  


 


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10/18/2017 11:47 pm  #110


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I did think it was a good episode with one exception, I really didn't like the start of it. I just hate animal abuse in any form even if it is in a fake TV show.  


 


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10/18/2017 11:52 pm  #111


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Tuxie, when she was having her baby she said she had her appendix out when she was 15 I think. 
​I thought she had broken her ribs a few times in the show I just cant remember which episodes. 


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10/19/2017 7:09 am  #112


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They could just as easily call this show "The Side-Dish" as the black-listers only serve as clues in a larger, looming story - a story we will probably never fully know 'til the very end. Most of the black-listers are dispatched rather quickly - the more interesting characters are Red's Tag-Alongs and the occasional character they have to pry open to get to a black-lister! (the show is also making a statement that torture works)


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10/19/2017 8:53 am  #113


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JackPow wrote:

Mother kills herself to save the child. Redarina!!! Sorry I can't help myself.

I thought that too. But then Red was quite flirty with Dr. Melissa, implying that they were sleeping together in the buff. There's always something for every theory. LOL!
 

 

10/19/2017 8:58 am  #114


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Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

They could just as easily call this show "The Side-Dish" as the black-listers only serve as clues in a larger, looming story - a story we will probably never fully know 'til the very end. Most of the black-listers are dispatched rather quickly - the more interesting characters are Red's Tag-Alongs and the occasional character they have to pry open to get to a black-lister! (the show is also making a statement that torture works)

The Side-Dish is a great description!  I found the story of the Mailman and the break-in much more intriguing than the Blacklister story. I also think they are making the Blacklister plots this year far too complicated. I never really understood why this Blacklister had to burn up a barn of racehorses. I really could have done without that. But I guess that was the only part connecting with the Endling idea.

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10/19/2017 10:39 am  #115


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Tuxie wrote:

They could never really understood why this Blacklister had to burn up a barn of racehorses. I really could have done without that. But I guess that was the only part that connected with the Endling idea.

I'm feeling like they had several stories but none of them were long enough for a complete show, so they chopped them up and then added the "side dishes" for a complete meal!

I, too, found the burning barn a little disturbing. I'm also feeling like the writers are starting to lose their way. The writing for the last two weeks has been extremely uneven. It looks like the story arc of Red's rebuilding efforts are going to be the "con of the week," which could be interesting but could also get the writers into trouble without a continuity editor.


 

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10/19/2017 11:01 am  #116


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Iowa Watcher - Yes, there were several side dishes. The action moved so fast that I had trouble keeping up with the blacklister and Dr. Nik at the end.  I didn't realize he was supposed to be at Dr. Pete's house until I read it in the EW recap.  Even so, I found this episode had the most interesting Blacklister so far. I guess the endling capers were to finance the saving of the child???

 

10/19/2017 11:04 am  #117


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HI all

I too was upset by the horse scene at the beginning - thank goodness it was only fake!
But I do think it was another connect of Liz's story (maybe as an Ending) to that of the overall plot and the Princess.  The fire.  And someone sets a deliberate fire and someone does not survive, make it out of the barn (house).

Just to be clear - Not that I liked watching the burning barn, I'm just saying it maybe drew a parallel.

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10/19/2017 11:22 am  #118


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I feel like this Blacklister and last week’s blacklister have felt a little off because Red hasn’t directly profited from either one (minus as a distraction while he does other stuff).  This week’s Blacklister at least served to provide momentum for side stories (like Nik, parent-child relationships, Liz making choices that Cooper has to address, etc).  I do hope we get back to “normal” Blacklisters soon.  I don’t want it to go too off the rails.

 

10/19/2017 11:39 am  #119


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Red and the Naval Academy - For some reason, here is a thought that popped into my head.  It kind of lines up with one of my "imposter" theories - really a "manufactured identity" theory - that I mentioned on the discussion pages just now about Liz's memory wipe two years ago.

We've all been talking about Red's age when he entered/graduated the Academy and so forth.  And how it was improbable that ballerina girl (because of her age) could ilne up with someone given that timeline (i.e. have a child around 1977, be in the Naval Academy etc) 

Here's a thought - what if Red is lying, and did not enter the Academy at 17 - its part of his cover story or "manufactured identity" -what if he was older and in fact planted there as part of overall deep cover.  Full disclosure - I've always thought Red was a bit older than what he said, say around 4 years.  Four years would make him old enough to have had another family, another house , a normal life, etc prior to his Academy "assignment"

Some of us have struggled with how Red could be an imposter or other identity if he knew Richard, the Admiral.  Well maybe he did - its just that he (Red) was older when he entered the Academy as part of his undercover assignment.  Might also explain how he was then out and running fairly important undercover missions right away - (he was already experienced at that)

well just another theory for today!  
 

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10/19/2017 3:20 pm  #120


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The killing of the horses and barn burning in the beginning was designed so that we would truly find the Blacklister despicable and irredeemable. She could only make any kind of amends by killing herself in order to save her son. I think she was supposed to be a Katarina parallel. Or even a Red parallel.

And I was also reminded of Red's quote about a man who would burn down the world to protect those he loved being someone he could understand. I think that scene was a direct reference of Red's quote.
We get a lot of burning and fires in this show!

About the end of the line thing. If Liz is the end of a line of some sort, what or whose line? I am inclined to say, if I had to choose between Red and Katarina, that the line is Katarina's. But wait! If it's a dynastic thing then Liz is NOT the end of the line - Agnes is, for the moment.


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