I finally got to watch this episode this evening. So nice that Red has a nice new plane, I always love Glen!

So, what did Red get out of this Blacklister? Nothing readily apparent. It could be that he had her arrested for some future plan, or it could have been simply to prove the viability of the Task Force to their superiors. Red needs the Task Force. For what they provide to help him and also they are important to Liz. Like Red told Tom, you are important to Elizabeth, therefore you are important to me. Same probably goes for the Task Force.

I guess the guns were part of Red's business loose ends. I'm sure he has other deals left hanging that will come back to bite him. any of these could be the next Big Bad. Sorry we won't be back to Terrace Vista. Oh well, we knew it couldn't last and they had pretty much used it up.

Smokey would use elephants. With his circus connections it was probably easier to get elephants than bulldozers. Plus it was just fun.

My current thinking about Bones is that we will get an ID pretty soon. But knowing who it is won't solve anything as far as their importance to the Mystery of Raymond Reddington. We still won't know how or why whatever happened to the person, I think whatever we learn it will just lead to a hundred new questions and even larger mysteries. Sort of like the paternity issue hasn't solved anything either. And just what does Tom know about Red? We've long suspected that he knows way more than he lets on. But then again, maybe he's just guessing a lot of it with no solid proof.

Anyway, just some quick thoughts. I'll need to watch it again.

Just wanted to add, Red knows Ressler had something to do,with Hitchins' death and that he's now in deep doodoo. His offer to help is sincere. Made me think of
Anslo  Garrick where he saved Ressler.

Last edited by Honey West (10/12/2017 10:52 pm)

I also thought this was to keep Liz busy.  Kind of an odd episode but very telling.

Red has No doubt caught wind that Ressler is in some trouble.  I've been expecting that one I was just wondering how many episodes it was going to take to bring it out.

If there was any doubt he was on to Tom there isn't now.
Tom should not have said anything about knowing he thinks Red lies to Liz!  Now that he has a little $$ I think he will be keeping more tabs on Tom.

It wouldn't be so bad if there were just a few smart remarks between the new crew, but it is a bit too much for me.

I must add, as soon as I saw the man in the tight suit get the phone call i knew she was going to kill him. I thought what a dummy running your mouth in such a bad position... ( no pun intended )

My favorite part of the episode was what I found so telling at the end. Red has been very humbled. He has remembered what its like to really need a helping hand.
That was not possible without Glenn and he knew it. 

Last edited by Eastcoast (10/13/2017 12:24 am)

Honey West wrote:

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My current thinking about Bones is that we will get an ID pretty soon. But knowing who it is won't solve anything as far as their importance to the Mystery of Raymond Reddington. We still won't know how or why whatever happened to the person, I think whatever we learn it will just lead to a hundred new questions and even larger mysteries. Sort of like the paternity issue hasn't solved anything either. And just what does Tom know about Red? We've long suspected that he knows way more than he lets on. But then again, maybe he's just guessing a lot of it with no solid proof.

I agree, Honey West.  Like JB has said in a million interviews, the paternity question may be answered, but all it does it open up more questions.  The question has never really been who he is, but why did he need to come into Elizabeth's life.  I think the identity of the bones will do the same thing until Liz actually learns about the whole ordeal and is able to confront Red about it.  Because I think whatever information she will ultimately get would force Red to tell her the truth.  And while I do not worship at the altar of the "Red doesn't lie to Liz" gods, I do believe he tries to be as truthful with her as he can be while protecting his own interests (including his relationship with her) and believing he is protecting her safety and happiness. 

 

My guess is what someone (somewhere?) suggested: That the bones will be ID'd to belong to a child and the writers hope the audience will gasp and frantically wonder "who is the child?!?" and/or "did Red murder a child?!?" when it's really just the bones of an exhumed random child, used to fake Masha/Liz's death when the heat was on decades ago.

I haven't thoroughly thought that through yet. Like one of you recently said, i don't want to make myself too crazy over theorizing. I'll let the story play out and enjoy the ride.

One would immediately point out that Dr Nik would have taken one glance and immediately said to Tom "this is a child's skeleton" and perhaps he did say that but that was conveniently not shown to the audience until the writers are ready for us to know that. Or perhaps it is plainly obvious to Tom that it is a child's bones so there's no need for him and Dr Nik to say that but again, WE haven't been shown the same up close view they have seen.

We'll see. That's my current guess/hunch. My other guess of course is that the bones are Katarina's. (though I am also very open-minded to the Redarina theory). My thoughts have never been on the possibility of "another child/sibling" because thus far I really haven't seen much convincing evidence hinting towards that. For me that would come out of left field. But shocking twists are always fun.

Last edited by JackPow (10/13/2017 10:46 am)

JackPow #48 - here is some food for thought, why I think there may be a second child.  I'm not totally convinced there is/was but its interesting to think about:

1.  flora segunda - the plot concerns a child whose older sister had died, and the surviving sister was given that sist'er's name (and expected to an extent to "be" like the older sister)
2.  The little girls in that one scene behind the louvers in the fire memories - the second child's image is a fade, almost a ghostly image, like she is yet isn't there (its not Liz who is shown separately - there are 3 images in that closet scene -  (it was crowded, LOL)
3.  The Summer Palace - seems to be there were two of many things, though that of course can be otherwise explained.  And the doll house that looked a lot like Takoma Park house (same basic structure and color).  also, I think in one of the photos on the mantel in Liz's room, there were two children with KR
4.  Kirk's comment that unlike Red, he would not hurt his daughter (whatever that meant)
5.  the fight in the fire memory where the father calls her "elizabeth" and the mother, "Masha".  Interesting that up to that point, we have never heard Liz being called Elizabeth - KR, Kirk and Kaplan (all those Ks, LOL) all call her Masha.  So how/why is she then called Elizabeth in fire house.  that is never explained, I don't think. Even in KR's "diary" she talks about Raymond wanting her to leave with Masha.  I don't know I just think its odd.
6.  Lord Baltimore - twins, one had died.

Then of course there's the technique of having two "girls" talk int he closet - big Liz and little Liz, and that there are scenes where the hair length differs (though that could have been because scenes were filmed a few months apart)

Not saying any of this proves anything and each can probably be explained some other way.  But I think its interesting!
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Last edited by lara1 (10/13/2017 11:53 am)

Brittany, we have a discussion on fire night.  I have posted another pic of the girl in the closet because I see I must have deleted the other one because the link wasn't working.

So I had a wild thought and it doesn't belong anywhere in particular so I'll add it here as this thread is till active.

I was thinking about the memory alteration Krirov said was done two years ago.  Suppose it was done before Braxton and so what we see are not the memories that Red had changed/implanted but something else of which Red is not even aware?  Is that why the "flashes" appear?

Its hard to tell real time vs BL time, but Braxton occurs nine episodes prior to Leonard Caul.  so not a huge time gap.  

Still, I tend to think it happened after Leonard Caul and Liz found out something in the apartment.  She was digging through a lot of stuff.  And I'm thinking again that newly implanted memory may have been the shooting of her father, to cover whatever it was that she found out in current day.  Some of us have thought that the "shooting" memory doesn't line up with the "fire" memory, in terms of the people who may have been involved....

Its curious that Red only speaks of Liz's father dying in the fire, etc prior to that.  I still think he seemed surprised/relieved when she said that the "everything" she remembered was that she remembered shooting her father at the end of Connolly.  He was expecting worse.

I now wonder, given the Kaplan storyline, whether Red had that kind of sick/worried look on his face when Liz said she knew "everything" in Connolly because he thought that she had found out then whatever it was that Kaplan was going to tell her with the bones.  But she still didn't know,  so he was relieved.

So I'm thinking more than ever that the suitcase is related to what happened the night of the fire in some way.  and the fire night house clues in that scene with Tom in Dennison't flat point to that.

Last edited by lara1 (10/16/2017 10:54 am)

HW - its an interesting thought if the reason why Liz's memories were tampered with two years ago was actually because of what she recalled in Braxton.    As an aside, I always wondered why she seemed so fearful and surprised to see her father in the memory, especially since she seemed to recall before that he'd led her out of the fire (or so she thought).  Though I wonder who else would know about the recall and why that person couldn't have her know what she learned about Reddington.  Questions, questions!