The box was still red on the outside

Last edited by Eastcoast (10/27/2016 10:55 pm)

lara1 and tuxie, I think the baby just looks older. They do change a lot in a few weeks time.

Samar and Ressler (particularly Ressler) have been the major casualties of the current story-lines. And Tom was reduced to nothing but an errand boy tonite - thanks for showing up Tom....
Samar did manage to sneak in a few expressions and hot lines - her smiling at the end with Aram eating remnants from the post office fridge was priceless (short but priceless)

lara1 wrote:

Tuxie400 - Kirk in the box - mirror images again of Red!  and didn't the frame of the box look white?

Red and white - color theme running through the series.......hmmmm

 
I read or heard something about the box. It's either not the original box or it was looking different because it's not located on its original set. Something that affects the way it can be lit when they film it. Can't remember where I read that.

lara1 wrote:

eastcoast #69  in a very round about way this kind of leads back to Red possibly being the father.

Liz was not Kirk's to raise; Kirk "cannot have" Agnes....interesting words.  and east coast, those words you note, Red took Katarina away and took Liz away.  So maybe Katarina did run off with Raymond.  And maybe he was the "American".  

Maybe that is what Red is worried about, that Liz will figure out the full truth ....or something!  LOL

 
The only problem is that it can't be that simple. So Red had an affair with a married KGB agent. She had a baby, possibly his. How is that so "complicated" that he can't tell his possible kid anything about it all these years later? they are all adults now. Surely it can't be that he just can't admit that to her. No. There's got to be a really good twist to the story and Liz knows that Red is the one she has to dig that information out of. Don't forget she is supposed to be a psychologist and a profiler. Once she gets a chance to slow down and regain her balance she ought to be able to get her questions answered. But Red sees to it that she is kept enough off balance that she has a hard time working on him. Plus she's good at being her own worst enemy most of the time. Anyway, Red told her in the beginning that there were truths out there that she would need to discover for herself.

Ah, no wonder it was so good. Teleplay by Daniel Knauf. Story by Daniel Knauf and Dave Metzger.

Okay, Kirk agreed with Red that it had to end now and then took a shot at him, grazing his arm. Is Kirk really a bad shot or did he do that on purpose? He intended to kill Red, but when he had the chance to actually do it himself, he basically missed. It reminded me of the time that Tom also "missed". And we know Tom is a good shot. I'm starting to wonder if Red is made of teflon. Or Kevlar. The Cabal's sniper even had a clear shot at him and couldn't get the job done. Of course, the obvious answer is you can't kill off the star of the show.  (ermm)

Honey West - really enjoyed reading your posts as usual.  # 90 - my views as well.  # 93 -  Teflon Red.  LOL.  but that's an interesting observation.

Patter # 94 - I'm wondering if there is another reason why Kirk was not on Red's Blacklist - did he not know that Kirk was Constantin and/or did we think he was in fact dead?  But based on their interactions and what Red knew of Kirk back in Season 3, it doesn't seem that way.  And, he did add Kirk as #14.  Not sure I know what the numbers really represent, but if the higher the number, the more dangerous to Red's endgame (whatever it is) I would have expected Red to slot Kirk in at a higher number.  It really does make me think  there is more to it (why Kirk was not on the Blacklist) than what Red said and whether the Blacklist and Red's endgame is different to what we may have thought previously.

Last edited by lara1 (10/28/2016 12:51 pm)

First of all, welcome and welcome back to new/old members! I check the member list every once in awhile and it's always nice to see new and new/old names appear on there! 

Great posts, everyone! Too many to call each of you out on, but my typical M.O. after watching the show is to go on the forum and first read all of what each of you wrote. I like this new quoting thing so it's easy to "play along" and reply as if I was watching it with you all. Then I write something with first thoughts and reactions, before I go back and check things. If I can stay up long enough, I watch the main parts of the episode again where I think I need clarification, then add a comment or two. Then I go and read Jodi Walker's recap on the Entertainment Weekly site, because it's usually there by then. And compare with what I got out of the story. Then I go sleep for awhile and get up the next morning and read more comments on here because you all are mostly 2-3 hours ahead of me.

So, I have to say I really like the Red scenes that Daniel Knauf writes. I feel that he has a good handle on who the real Red is, where he's come from and where he thinks he's going. The scene with Cooper and Red was excellent. Not a lot of words, but a lot of feeling and depth in what was said. Red had no idea when he turned himself in how badly things would go. And things just keep getting worse. He's been forced to basically lock Liz up for her own safety but he realizes that he is suffocating her. And that seems like it wasn't supposed to happen that way and he knows it's not right. Cooper seems to know more than we thought. I suspect he knows what Red is really all about. Maybe not every detail, but he knows what he needs to know in order to maintain the Task Force's role. And there have been indications that others know it, too. We, the audience, are not among that group, though, we get to guess along with Liz and as things are revealed to her, then we will find out, too. Her character is our representative. We do get clues that Liz doesn't, though, like Red's scars, the letter he burned, etc., so we get pulled into the story in a slightly different way, and also if all we had was what Liz knows, it might not keep us quite as interested in the plot. Everybody loves a good guessing game, and there's plenty of that for all of us, that's for sure!

Honey West #97 - reading your post and thinking about Red and Harold's conversation, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Red being deep deep cover?  With maybe Harold being the, or at least, a, facilitator?  I think during the summer break that was discussed a bit - the idea of Red being very deep undercover - I can't recall whether it was you or someone else who may have mentioned that theory.  Recent developments may start to point in that direction.  But how it would tie in to the whole Rostov/Rostova story I don't know.

I also feel like the series is gearing up for a major 180 degree turn in course or maybe even a 360 as we get more reveals and pieces of info from now up through the fall finale.

A re-watch of this episode is definitely in order this weekend!