The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 4.19 Dr. Bogdan Krilov

Colleen · 5/04/2017 10:21 pm

Given what we saw tonight of memory manipulation, anyone on this show at any time could have false memories or experiences. The Kaplan inconsistencies. Even Red's own Christmas Eve memories. Who knows? Red may be Liz's dad but manipulated into believing he isn't. Or vice versa. So many possibilities.

The show's writers can basically get away with changing things that we have considered canon - its ingenious and brilliant. So cool!

Tuxie400 · 5/04/2017 10:21 pm

Well, it went by very quickly and I was quite engaged. But I'm left saying, what just happened, and why don't I know anything more now than before the episode started? What a waste of the memory specialist! Was Dr. Krilov lying about doing something to Liz's memory just two years ago? Red denied responsibility. And I don't even remember seeing the preview for next week. Maybe someone manipulated my memories.

Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:23 pm

lara1 wrote:
Colleen wrote:
Wow! What an amazing episode! Dream On was a perfect ending. Even the preview for next week was great!

Red gave away his hat, was sitting among straw and farm animals - very possibly a foreshadowing the loss of his empire (wouldn't that be a make for a wild season 5) - and he still smiled at the boy wearing his hat.
Colleen - I was thinking , possible link back to the parable of the farmer? are we being taken full circle? And Red has now become the hunted rather than the hunter he turned into

Exactly what I was thinking Lara.

Big Badd Bazzer · 5/04/2017 10:25 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Big Badd Bazzer wrote:
Dream On - this may have been the best 42 minutes of TBL since inception!
Agreed! And we have BadA@@ Liz back too! LOVED IT!

I wonder if Spader or one of the directors got to Megan and gave her some pointed acting recommendations and pointers. Whoever did, deserves the big KUDO!

Megan's character was starting to wane - getting dwarfed by Samar, Aram, even Annie 'Oakley' Heise.

Perhaps crossing over to Redemption gave her a chance to refine her chops. It worked. In spades!!!

Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:26 pm

Tuxie400 wrote:
Well, it went by very quickly and I was quite engaged. But I'm left saying, what just happened, and why don't I know anything more now than before the episode started? What a waste of the memory specialist! Was Dr. Krilov lying about doing something to Liz's memory just two years ago? Red denied responsibility. And I don't even remember seeing the preview for next week. Maybe someone manipulated my memories.

Hahaha!!! I think Dr. Krilov got to me when I gave birth to twins!

I don't think Krilov was lying, but when would he have the opportunity to do it? When did we not know what was going on with Liz? Was it right after Luther Braxton? That would make sense.

Big Badd Bazzer · 5/04/2017 10:27 pm

Tuxie400 wrote:
Well, it went by very quickly and I was quite engaged. But I'm left saying, what just happened, and why don't I know anything more now than before the episode started? What a waste of the memory specialist! Was Dr. Krilov lying about doing something to Liz's memory just two years ago? Red denied responsibility. And I don't even remember seeing the preview for next week. Maybe someone manipulated my memories.

The beauty - and often the frustration of TBL - is more questions than answers!

RedIsMyCoPilot · 5/04/2017 10:28 pm

ARGGGHHH!!!!!! I don't know whom I want most to get their comeuppance - MR.KAPLAN or LAUREL HITCHENS.

And for some reason, I had shades of Manchurian Candidate (original, if you please) with Ressler and shades of 'Pine Barrens' (Sopranos) with Red/Dembe in the woods of Lucerne. Also, loved Aram's snippiness re Samar ("....and as you know, we don't agree about anything..." - or something similar!)

Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:28 pm

lara1 wrote:
LD Jones - I think Kaplan is blinded by her rage and obsession, just as Kirk was - shooting up liz's wedding etc.

Yes, it's ;like she's obsessed.

Big Badd Bazzer · 5/04/2017 10:29 pm

My old friend Brother Theodore (from the old David Letterman shows) would have been a great foil/ally to Reddington. Just a thought - don't know why I was suddenly thinking of quirky characters with Germanic accents!!! lol

Tuxie400 · 5/04/2017 10:30 pm

Colleen wrote:
Given what we saw tonight of memory manipulation, anyone on this show at any time could have false memories or experiences. The Kaplan inconsistencies. Even Red's own Christmas Eve memories. Who knows? Red may be Liz's dad but manipulated into believing he isn't. Or vice versa. So many possibilities.

The show's writers can basically get away with changing things that we have considered canon - its ingenious and brilliant. So cool!

Good points, Colleen. But I don't think it's cool. It's changing all the rules of the game very late in the game.

Colleen · 5/04/2017 10:30 pm

Can't wait to read everyone's posts here - it's like rewatching the episode but with expert commentary and funny inside jokes :-)

Anyone notice the pizza sign in the background when Liz was talking with Gale? Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was for Nick's Pizza?

Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:31 pm

RedIsMyCoPilot wrote:
And for some reason, I had shades of Manchurian Candidate (original, if you please) with Ressler and shades of 'Pine Barrens' (Sopranos) with Red/Dembe in the woods of Lucerne. Also, loved Aram's snippiness re Samar ("....and as you know, we don't agree about anything..." - or something similar!)

Aram... that was so funny! and Samar's tight lipped smirk!
Manchurian candidate... yes! But only the original!

lara1 · 5/04/2017 10:35 pm

I wonder if Dr. Krilov did get to Liz two years ago, and if so, who hired him? If we believe that Red does not lie to Liz, then it was not him.

Tatiana - I thought Luther Braxton as a possibility as well - but think about this - two years ago was right around the time that Liz shot Connolly, when she suddenly "remembered" shooting her father. Did someone turn back that memory erasing, and if so, who and why? Cabal?

IowaWatcher · 5/04/2017 10:37 pm

Great episode!

But color me confused. What else is new?

Okay, so Mr. Kaplan hired the doctor to plant false memories in Ressler so he would kill Laura H, and that would start the break up of the task force. Check.

Here's where I'm confused. The doctor said he worked on Liz two years ago and that someone they both knew brought her to him. Red said that it wasn't him (and I believe that). I also believe the doctor was telling the truth.

Was Liz taken to the doc because she found out that Red wasn't the real Reddington? If so, who hired and took her to the doctor?

We've not fully explored the question of who is/was Red's handler. If he was an operative who replaced the original Raymond Reddington, he had to have had help.

So was it Red's handler who took her to the doctor? Was that Cooper? Kaplan on someone's orders? Someone we haven't met?

Yes, I will watch this episode again after more sleep.

As for Gale, I don't think he's working for Kaplan. He wants to see justice served, or maybe it's personal because he's related to someone dead.

Yes, I caught the princess reference, too. We still don't know who Liz is, and I remember the speculation that she was part of the a Russian royal family.

I, too, will be interested in reading everyone's comments. A lot went on tonight. I wish it were Monday instead of Thursday.

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Tuxie400 · 5/04/2017 10:39 pm

Random thoughts about the episode:

After seeing how Ressler's memory was manipulated, it makes me question everything about the fire night memories - whether they're Liz's or Kaplan's.

Red implanted Nikolas in Werner's employ in much the same way he implanted Samar on the task force. That's what he meant when he told Kate he built his fortress with walls within walls.

What was the significance of Gale's asking Liz what she knew about Milos Kirchhoff, Jeff Pearl and Pastor ? Who was the pastor guy anyway?

RedIsMyCoPilot · 5/04/2017 10:39 pm

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:
My old friend Brother Theodore (from the old David Letterman shows) would have been a great foil/ally to Reddington. Just a thought - don't know why I was suddenly thinking of quirky characters with Germanic accents!!! lol

Oh, Brother Theodore... have not heard that name in quite awhile! But yes, he did remind me of him, now that you mention it. or some character from a Ren/Midieval era or Game of Thrones type of show.

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lara1 · 5/04/2017 10:52 pm

Colleen and Tuxie400 - I think the memory manipulation thing can have many legs and can be used in interesting ways. My own view is that it won't result in completely overwriting the story (well maybe overwriting some of the Kirk saga would be OK - sorry could not resist) - but (hopefully) will use it in a way that provides a twist that we didn't see coming yet (hopefully) makes sense.

It was used as a plot device in Luther Braxton and then again in Tom Connolly. They introduced it again here. Maybe, it will come back again in the finale in an unexpected way. I guess we'll find out soon!

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Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:55 pm

Colleen wrote:
Anyone notice the pizza sign in the background when Liz was talking with Gale? Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was for Nick's Pizza?

Yes I did! alas, it was not Nicks pizza, but it was pizza nonetheless, (I think it was delivery lol)
Clocks, Christmas, chess, pizza, plaid... all of it!

Tatiana · 5/04/2017 10:57 pm

lara1 wrote:
I wonder if Dr. Krilov did get to Liz two years ago, and if so, who hired him? If we believe that Red does not lie to Liz, then it was not him.

Tatiana - I thought Luther Braxton as a possibility as well - but think about this - two years ago was right around the time that Liz shot Connolly, when she suddenly "remembered" shooting her father. Did someone turn back that memory erasing, and if so, who and why? Cabal?

Yes, I think it's probably Cabal related, or whatever it's called. There just may be a third party here after all.

lara1 · 5/04/2017 11:05 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Colleen wrote:
Anyone notice the pizza sign in the background when Liz was talking with Gale? Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was for Nick's Pizza?
Yes I did! alas, it was not Nicks pizza, but it was pizza nonetheless, (I think it was delivery lol)
Clocks, Christmas, chess, pizza, plaid... all of it!

yep, and music, and a grand piano (in Hitchen's lake house - a house by the LAKE) LOL