Honey West wrote:

Liz was crying when she asked Red if it could just be over now, call it even. So when Liz's memories were altered she also lost any memory of her nanny, Kate, along with her parents. But I wonder if something was coming through about Kate from her past or if she truly just wants Red to let it go and stop the war with Kate on his own. If she now believes that he is her father, I would think that would be a lot to digest on her part. She has seen how good he can be, and how he obviously adores Agnes. But she also knows what a monster he is and can be. She is absolutely right to sort of step back and study him. Maybe she is trying to understand him and how he came to be this way. I don't know if she might think she can save him or not, or that has even crossed her mind to do anything like that. But she is definitely studying him as she is helping him. She must have a good reason to do so, otherwise she should try to get as far away from him as possible. I think she knows that, too.

Exactly. She 'killed' herself to get away from him. She didn't even care anymore what 'truths' he could reveal to her about her father and her mother because he hasn't revealed anything to her. Having Reddington around has been a threat to her. She hasn't been mad at him, she's been enraged.

But something happened. She knows.

He relinquished his family for Kat and Masha. But he couldn't have Katarina or Masha. So Katarina and he made a plan to keep Masha safe by staying away from her. That ultimately meant sacrificing themselves, never would they be able to communicate or be together. They became dead to one another.

I happen to think there's a real possibility that Jennifer could come back, the 'red-headed' step child, Red's child. Rebuffed and forgotten. There's gotta be a whole lotta resentment on her part. Could she be Janet Sutherland? Who knows. Jennifer has a motive of her own: take down her own father for completely neglecting her while spending his whole life protecting Liz. Then she comes back and takes them down. I don't know. It's not fantastic enough for JB's end game that the studios may not go for, but the way they all write it, the could make it creepy and repulsive. 


 

A slight addendum. I don't know how long the show-runners intend to run the Godzilla vs. Oprah story-line but I suspect it will consume the majority of Season 3 (perhaps up to 14 of 20 episodes).
Thus I can't see them ramping up a slow build to the final confrontation - one wins, one loses, lots of body count. What I do see, at least I'd write it this way is Kate & Red having at least two mini-confrontations that appear to be final but have both escaping with damage but their lives intact. That way builds even more tension to us nail-frittering viewers - we don't know which confrontation might signal the end.
Plus, Mr. Kaplan (hero or villain) is just too good a character being played by a 1st rate actress to have her done away with in short order.
The actor who really needs and would benefit from a long Kaplan arc is Megan Boone. She's extremely important in this war between two gods. Without the war she's basically a cardboard cut-out criminal profiler with limited experience in the field.

Colleen and Tuxie400 - when I re-watched the episode yesterday I froze the TV screen and just could not see it.  However, now that I have internet access again and can see this on a large computer screen, I'm thinking more that it could be.  The screenshot that raises the biggest question mark for me is the one in the upper right in the link that Tuxie posted.  I enlarged it and to me it looks like a face wearing glasses with metal rims, particularly on the left side of the face  (east coast , left side!!)  .

Unless it is a trick of the light but it does look like a metal arm of the glasses (don't know what that piece is called that goes from the front to the ear!  LOL).  I can't say that its Red's face, and it could be an optical illusion/lighting, but you can faintly make out aviator style glasses with metal rims.

Of course this may all be a mirage, LOL.  But part of me still wonders why they chose that visual trick in the MIRROR  Its a split second and many people would miss it.  Again  why not just show the driver clearly?
Instead we have a blurry split second view of the side of the driver and the cap - its way too fast and blurry to discern anything - and then the mirror.

food for thought.  I'm not sure that the chauffeur is literally Red, more like, he's the one maybe who was watching and placed Kate in the household.

I'm wondering if this will end one of two ways:

- Red tells Kaplan something that she did not know that causes her to stop in her tracks - precedent for this is whatever Red said to Kirk, changed his whole perception and stopped in his tracks; Howard with Scottie telling her Tom is their son and stopped her in her tracks as well; or

- assuming Red is Liz's father, events will conspire somehow to force Red to tell Liz, game over

Of course I'm still not convinced that current Red is Liz's father, as he's not Red....LOL.  I will probably end up being totally wrong!  

Tuxie400 wrote:

What if our Red was the chauffeur? Yet another man who's not Reddington in love with Katarina and her child.  Just a wild thought I had while reading Colleen and lara1's posts.

lara1 - I do think the screencap you mention looks like wire rim frames. That was the one I first thought was Red in his amber aviator glasses. I do think there's a reason the mirror images were placed inbetween the scenes - first looking like Red in back of Kaplan and then the young man in a cap with Red-type hair in front of Kate. 

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Tuxie400 - the other one that is fascinating to me is the center left one, which seems to have 3 faces.
If you look exactly at the center of the mirror (where the metal thing connects to the mirror vertically), to the right of that is like half the face of the driver, i.e. the close up face of the driver.  To the left of that, I swear I see a man's face, looking out the window, its a side profile looking out the side window; thirdly, right in the center sort of above those two half faces, is like the bottom 2/3 of another face - which I really can't make out, I don't think its Kaplan though.

That sequence was probably a split second on the screen so I needed to enlarge the screen caps by a lot to see it, as well as the rimmed glass man on the upper right.

Either that or I am losing my mind and hallucinating!  LOL  

On the Red as chauffeur, I have to think of that.  Maybe as a cover?  Red never told any story about driving, but wouldn't it be ironic, with all the mentions of Cadillacs, and Glen the DMV guy as one of his go to guys?

Did anyone make out whether that car, which also drives Katerina home in one of the first scenes of the episode is a Cadillac?


 

Last edited by lara1 (4/24/2017 8:15 pm)

lara1 wrote:

Colleen and Tuxie400 - when I re-watched the episode yesterday I froze the TV screen and just could not see it.  However, now that I have internet access again and can see this on a large computer screen, I'm thinking more that it could be.  The screenshot that raises the biggest question mark for me is the one in the upper right in the link that Tuxie posted.  I enlarged it and to me it looks like a face wearing glasses with metal rims, particularly on the left side of the face  (east coast , left side!!)  .

Unless it is a trick of the light but it does look like a metal arm of the glasses (don't know what that piece is called that goes from the front to the ear!  LOL).  I can't say that its Red's face, and it could be an optical illusion/lighting, but you can faintly make out aviator style glasses with metal rims.

Of course this may all be a mirage, LOL.  But part of me still wonders why they chose that visual trick in the MIRROR  Its a split second and many people would miss it.  Again  why not just show the driver clearly?
Instead we have a blurry split second view of the side of the driver and the cap - its way too fast and blurry to discern anything - and then the mirror.

food for thought.  I'm not sure that the chauffeur is literally Red, more like, he's the one maybe who was watching and placed Kate in the household.

I think the main takeaway here is that she was being brought to the house by a chauffeured car. Her potential future employer was rich!

Tatiana wrote:

I was thinking more and more about the DNA question and if Liz actually had it done to confirm whether or not Red was her father and I thought, well, Jon Bokenkamp has recently been saying that Liz is supporting Red more and becoming more of a partner with him in a 'weird, tethered' way. So maybe she is trying to support dear old dad!

Tatiana = when JB uses the word "weird" I never know what to think!  LOL.  at the conference over the weekend he seemed to imply, in answer to an audience member question on hasn't anyone heard of a blood test?, - that Liz may already have done a test.  That doesn't mean that the test confirmed Red as her father, though.  Which brings me back to the "weird" tethered relationship mentioned by JB.

Of course, I'm still not convinced Red is her father.   Either because he's not the real Red, or because there's another explanation.  

LOL - well I think we are going to hear one way or the other by the finale.  They have been promising since last November that we will have a major reveal, that a large shoe will drop,at the end of the season.  And maybe our mouths will drop open as well!  LOL    

Whatever it is, I can't wait!

I got some shots of the office and the house fire. Not really good but best I could do for now.



 

Last edited by Eastcoast (4/26/2017 8:26 pm)

That house looks pretty fully involved. I wonder where it is supposed to be located, besides "downtown".

That office is the one from the promo photos that seemed to,have posters about jobs. I thought maybe an unemployment office or an employment agency? Large pike of folders on the desk. But what it is might not be anything more important than providing a good spot to watch for Cooper.

Eastcoast wrote:

Office, 



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Eastcoast - I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that is Marvin's office.  without enlarging the framed items on the wall they look like college and maybe law degrees.  also the file on the desk looks like a legal folder.  in the Marvin Gerard episode we learned that Red did tell Marvin what his plans were.

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